I have heard many a time on forums & such people stating, why
should we pay a benefit to people for caring when surely if they care
& love the person in question that requires the care, they would do
it anyway?
The thing is, yes they all would.
Caring includes everything from round the clock nursing, to
completing some tasks & aiding the disabled person to do the rest
themselves, to being more of a personal assistant.
It’s not about the grand sum of £59.75, if the short change that the
government pays to carers was paid to a care provider to instead provide
the ‘care’ it would equate to £1.70 an hour & I can’t see any
outside care company providing anything for that, no where near close to
the minimum wage.
This you are only entitled to if you provide 35hrs of care, of which
there are many carers that provide way over this many providing 24hr
care, always on call with very little respite & others that provide
less & don’t get the “marvellous” sum of £59.75 but still care &
aren’t any less valuable
Carers & the disabled people they care for don’t want pity mind
you. Although disabled people have some limitations due to their
disability, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have aspirations. By
completing the tasks that the disabled person can’t do or the tasks that
would take so much out of them, can mean the difference between the
disabled person just ‘existing’ & the disabled person being able to
concentrate on some of their own life choices whether this be working,
studying, arts & crafts etc. Disabled people in this country have
valuable contributions to make to society & their carers are vital
in enabling disabled people to fulfil their life choices.
Carers also look after friends or relatives that are living with some
of the most challenging or terminal of conditions. For a carer to
slowly see their loved one taken by dementia for example must be
heartbreaking, to slowly lose someone you care about over time.
People also don’t realise how heartbreaking it can be to watch
someone you care about so deeply go through pain & illness. I myself
always deal with a level of pain all the time, people often think how
the disabled person is dealing with their condition but often the
distress that the carer feels is often overlooked.
Carers often see & face the hostility that disabled people have to contend with from certain sections of society.
Carers are often the people that fight your corner for what you need,
often it can be when rushed to hospital & as you are too ill, you
no longer have the strength to argue yourself to remain in the hospital
for treatment (you would rather be in your own bed) as the Junior Doctor
fails to fully understand your condition & the gravity of the
situation & wants to send you home. Your carer fights your corner,
makes a “fuss”, insists on being seen by the registrar which when you
do, they apologise as the information you had given the Junior had not
been shared & now the registrar understands the gravity of the
situation & how serious it could have been. The carer had seen it
all along, this isn’t unusual.
I always wonder were carers fit into the Conservative’s “Hardworking Britain ?”
I detest this statement, what is your definition of hardworking?
Would a person that owns a multi billion dollar company be your idea of
hardworking because they make so much money? Would they still be the
ideal hardworking person if their company dumped chemical waste &
exploited their workers? Would they still be the ideal person if they
never saw their family?
Just because a person may not make millions, does it mean that their contribution is any less?
Hardworking has nothing to do with the amount in which you are paid,
some of the most important things that keep our society together are
done by people that get no or little financial reward. We must focus on
making a conscientious society & as well as a strong economy but not
one where the focus is on obtaining the biggest financial reward at any
cost to society.
Carers are deeply under valued & unappreciated by the state but
they don’t care for people because the state tells them to, they see
they are needed & are valued enormously by the people they care for.
Our ability to care is one of the best aspects of humanity & if
carers stopped caring the cost to the state would be enormous. The fact
is that even with giving this small amount of £59.75 (too low in my
opinion) to the carers in this country, it is much more “cost effective”
than if the country had to employ an army of carers. It also means that
even a small amount can allow the carer a break & allow them to do
something they enjoy. Caring isn’t the same as looking after a loved one
that has the flu. Many people often don’t understand the effort that
people put into caring often the putting the person they are caring for
before themselves & often can’t have a ‘day off’.
The thing is you can’t put a price on the care & support that the carers of this country provide
Carers enable, carers are anyone. They are wives, husbands, sisters,
brothers, mothers, fathers & friends & regardless they will
always keep on caring.
Carer’s UK
Wednesday, 19 February 2014
Wednesday, 5 February 2014
The Big Benefits Row: Facts, fiction & a whole lot of yelling
The show began first with a montage of
multiple clips from the bewildering amount of benefit shows that have
been produced recently from it being mentioned in the papers, to the
news, in documentaries & through benefit bashing tv.
The long & short of it is, the small percentage of fraud that occurs is drowned in the sea in coverage it receives & I think this is the single most important point that people don’t understand. This is a trend that has been seen throughout history, that it is not necessarily a reflection of the reality of the time but instead reflects the attitudes of society which I covered a bit in The evolution of benefit tv.
Question 1: “Do you think the benefits system is fit or unfit for purpose?”
Apparently 66% believe that it isn’t.
I’d love to know how many people actually know what support the benefit system provides & how many voted unfit because they were thinking instead about even with the countless forms filled in & assessments people have, that many people found “fit for work” are having their benefits reinstated on appeal.
At the start you had Katie Hopkins as usual never pausing for a moment to engage her brain before running her mouth. She started as many have done on this topic trying to pass off prejudices & stereotypes as fact but was pulled into reality by Mathew Wright.
Then Mathew Wright explained that they wanted to separate the facts from fiction.
FACTS?!?!?!?
Excuse me while I wet myself in delight at a show that is presenting the facts instead of perpetuating myths further.
Matthew Wright highlighted that tax evasion is far greater than benefit fraud (with the resources dedicated to tackling this far lower) & Annabel Giles spoke brilliantly even with Katie attacking her in a childish voice that she “wanted to be a model & didn’t make it”.
Katie went on further about people having multiple children & was quickly told it is a very small minority, not the norm. This was followed with people on housing benefit living in posh neighbourhoods, again not the norm & this was finished of with remarks about how “hardworking Britain” had had enough of going to work & seeing people staying at home, this being said without any thought to what the person behind the curtain may have to contend with.
Question 2: “Do you think the portrayal of people on benefits is fair or unfair ?” A close split.
Peter Stringfellow like many doesn’t consider a pension a benefit. He said that his main concern was the “abuse, not the majority of people. I’m looking at people over there” (pointing to the people in wheelchairs) “that deserve everything they can get”. But when Mathew pointed out that the abuse was small he replied “Not it’s not small.”
I doubt that he meant just people in wheelchairs but people with disabilities as a whole. However so often people don’t understand how significant invisible & variable conditions are, how much people struggle to walk on crutches or with a stick & the effort, pain & discomfort they go through. This is particularity important when people in the latter have to use a wheelchair to get around, this can often be on occasion when their condition is particularly bad or dependant on the situation. It can also be when they go out because their condition is such that they can’t move quickly, safely or the pain & exhuastion would be too much & can’t simply “hop out” without a great deal of difficulty.
Ironically this occurred just before the show when Sue Marsh had to leave her chair outside then struggle up into the seats because the disability provision wasn’t adequate. People often don’t understand the effort it takes to do things that people take for granted & the amount of time it takes from you to recover which Sue details in her post about her experience about being dropped from the panel & the lack of provision.
Then there was "White Dee". I thought she was either going to blow her top or say her piece, keep quiet & let Katie Hopkins tie herself in knots which she did beautifully.
Annabel Giles pointed out, that if ‘White Dee’ was well & didn’t have depression of course she would be working & Dee agreed. I can’t understand why some people believe this is the “optimum lifestyle choice” whereas in fact they have no choice at all because they are ill.
Question 3: “Would you support or oppose tougher means testing & rules about claiming benefits ?”
Apparently 66% were in support & I wonder greatly how many have any idea how difficult, demeaning & time consuming the whole process is.
Rachel Johnson was a pleasant surprise, coming from the point of not knowing much about her, she commented on the worryingly high percentage of people being sanctioned on JSA & that for people to get help from a foodbank they need a voucher to Edwina Currie to which she replied “only some of them”
Matthew saw this as a great opportunity for Jack Monroe’s opinion. It would have been nice to have heard more of what Jack had to say, unfortunately Edwina was intent on childishly shouting her down.
Jack explained that “You can’t rock up to a food bank & just ask for some free food” but Edwina disagreed. Jack pointed out that she works with the Trussell Trust, the biggest foodbank organisation in UK which in order to get help you need a voucher.
Then for some bizarre reason Edwina said they only run one & when she’s asked if she’s ashamed that people beg for food, she says no.
Jack started to make a reasonable point about the economy & bankers when she’s cut off again by Edwina.
"You come from a rich family." Jack explains again, no she doesn’t. "Yes you do come from a rich family," Edwina says with all the finger pointing of panto.
I had read that Jack had said these accusations had been happening before the show & she said she wanted to say her piece which she is more than entitled to do. She explained that her mum was a nurse, dad was a fireman & that they were hardworking ‘blue collar’ workers.
Edwina throughout Jack trying to speak made countless rapid interruptions, to the point she spoke so quick at times you could barely make out what she had said. It’s clearly obvious when you’re interrupting someone like this you want to stop them from talking, bate them & nothing more.
Edwina continued with countless interuptions about how they both went to grammer school….so what? Many a kid from council estates did also & that it was Jack’s grandfather who was “rich”, that he was a big property owner. By this point Jack, obviously upset, stated he had died with Edwina stating that she knew because she had seen the obituaries
Creepy.
Even more so when you know that she had taken the time before the show to search through Jack’s blog, to find a post she had done & tweet it out before hand. It also shows that before the show she knew she was likely going to bring up her grandfather, to get personal maybe because she didn’t have any defence. She says she admires Jack but her behaviour says anything but.
Also because she wasn’t willing to listen she missed a vital point
Jack is anyone
Jack didn’t come from an abusive family or a family dependent on benefits. The government rhetoric is if you work hard & get on you will be fine & in the unlikely case that you do fall, the system will protect you but it doesn’t and in Jack it proves it. See Jack’s heartfelt post about what she didn’t get to say.
Next they played a clip of “On Benefits & Proud” featuring Emma & Sophie. They explain the programme made them out to be something they’re not, that the system has helped them a lot & no that it wasn’t a comfortable existence.
Yet again, Edwina interrupts “go & get a job” repeating it over & over.
She then got a massive piece of her own medicine, the girl turned around quick as a flash “gimmie a job, innit” repeating it over & over. It reminded me of some Catherine Tate sketch that I couldn’t help but be pleased to see on this occasion.
Question 4: "Would you support or oppose new immigrants being allowed to claim benefits in the first year in the UK?" 76% oppose
Weirdly there was applause from the audience. Often there has been, in the same way as with benefit claimants a lot of stereotyping & myths surrounding immigration issues which people believe including those on benefits. Often pitted against each other, some benefit claimants believe that the reason that they can’t find a job is due to immigration.
Owen Jones brought up points about bankers, tax avoidance & the stereotyping of immigrants & the good that they have done for this country is often over looked.
I think the issue of immigration needed to be on a separate show (which Channel 5 are apparently going to do) as it felt squeezed on to the end, they didn’t have enough panellists to have a proper debate or the time & like with welfare it is yet another issue that has been a used as scapegoat topic.
The fact that they presented facts at the start of the programme was uplifting, I think it is truly disturbing how many programmes are aired with no reference to the actual facts of matter but instead just help perpetuate myths further.
There wasn’t enough time to address everything in the detail that it needed to be. A 45 minute show can’t undo the countless months of government opinion, tabloid “news” & benefit bashing tv, much more is needed to get to that point. People didn’t understand or want people like Katie Hopkins & Edwina Curie up there but the fact of the matter is it’s exactly people like Katie & Edwina that are helping perpetuate myths further because they either do not care about the people affected or that they don’t understand that things that they are annoyed about are myths or don’t represent the majority. When you put people like Katie & Edwina on a show like this against people that know their facts, they show themselves up to be the narrow minded people that they are….as long as people can speak that is.
Fleetstreetfox’s article on her experience
Owen Jone’s article on his experience
The long & short of it is, the small percentage of fraud that occurs is drowned in the sea in coverage it receives & I think this is the single most important point that people don’t understand. This is a trend that has been seen throughout history, that it is not necessarily a reflection of the reality of the time but instead reflects the attitudes of society which I covered a bit in The evolution of benefit tv.
Question 1: “Do you think the benefits system is fit or unfit for purpose?”
Apparently 66% believe that it isn’t.
I’d love to know how many people actually know what support the benefit system provides & how many voted unfit because they were thinking instead about even with the countless forms filled in & assessments people have, that many people found “fit for work” are having their benefits reinstated on appeal.
At the start you had Katie Hopkins as usual never pausing for a moment to engage her brain before running her mouth. She started as many have done on this topic trying to pass off prejudices & stereotypes as fact but was pulled into reality by Mathew Wright.
Then Mathew Wright explained that they wanted to separate the facts from fiction.
FACTS?!?!?!?
Excuse me while I wet myself in delight at a show that is presenting the facts instead of perpetuating myths further.
Matthew Wright highlighted that tax evasion is far greater than benefit fraud (with the resources dedicated to tackling this far lower) & Annabel Giles spoke brilliantly even with Katie attacking her in a childish voice that she “wanted to be a model & didn’t make it”.
Katie went on further about people having multiple children & was quickly told it is a very small minority, not the norm. This was followed with people on housing benefit living in posh neighbourhoods, again not the norm & this was finished of with remarks about how “hardworking Britain” had had enough of going to work & seeing people staying at home, this being said without any thought to what the person behind the curtain may have to contend with.
Question 2: “Do you think the portrayal of people on benefits is fair or unfair ?” A close split.
Peter Stringfellow like many doesn’t consider a pension a benefit. He said that his main concern was the “abuse, not the majority of people. I’m looking at people over there” (pointing to the people in wheelchairs) “that deserve everything they can get”. But when Mathew pointed out that the abuse was small he replied “Not it’s not small.”
I doubt that he meant just people in wheelchairs but people with disabilities as a whole. However so often people don’t understand how significant invisible & variable conditions are, how much people struggle to walk on crutches or with a stick & the effort, pain & discomfort they go through. This is particularity important when people in the latter have to use a wheelchair to get around, this can often be on occasion when their condition is particularly bad or dependant on the situation. It can also be when they go out because their condition is such that they can’t move quickly, safely or the pain & exhuastion would be too much & can’t simply “hop out” without a great deal of difficulty.
Ironically this occurred just before the show when Sue Marsh had to leave her chair outside then struggle up into the seats because the disability provision wasn’t adequate. People often don’t understand the effort it takes to do things that people take for granted & the amount of time it takes from you to recover which Sue details in her post about her experience about being dropped from the panel & the lack of provision.
Then there was "White Dee". I thought she was either going to blow her top or say her piece, keep quiet & let Katie Hopkins tie herself in knots which she did beautifully.
Annabel Giles pointed out, that if ‘White Dee’ was well & didn’t have depression of course she would be working & Dee agreed. I can’t understand why some people believe this is the “optimum lifestyle choice” whereas in fact they have no choice at all because they are ill.
Question 3: “Would you support or oppose tougher means testing & rules about claiming benefits ?”
Apparently 66% were in support & I wonder greatly how many have any idea how difficult, demeaning & time consuming the whole process is.
Rachel Johnson was a pleasant surprise, coming from the point of not knowing much about her, she commented on the worryingly high percentage of people being sanctioned on JSA & that for people to get help from a foodbank they need a voucher to Edwina Currie to which she replied “only some of them”
Matthew saw this as a great opportunity for Jack Monroe’s opinion. It would have been nice to have heard more of what Jack had to say, unfortunately Edwina was intent on childishly shouting her down.
Jack explained that “You can’t rock up to a food bank & just ask for some free food” but Edwina disagreed. Jack pointed out that she works with the Trussell Trust, the biggest foodbank organisation in UK which in order to get help you need a voucher.
Then for some bizarre reason Edwina said they only run one & when she’s asked if she’s ashamed that people beg for food, she says no.
Jack started to make a reasonable point about the economy & bankers when she’s cut off again by Edwina.
"You come from a rich family." Jack explains again, no she doesn’t. "Yes you do come from a rich family," Edwina says with all the finger pointing of panto.
I had read that Jack had said these accusations had been happening before the show & she said she wanted to say her piece which she is more than entitled to do. She explained that her mum was a nurse, dad was a fireman & that they were hardworking ‘blue collar’ workers.
Edwina throughout Jack trying to speak made countless rapid interruptions, to the point she spoke so quick at times you could barely make out what she had said. It’s clearly obvious when you’re interrupting someone like this you want to stop them from talking, bate them & nothing more.
Edwina continued with countless interuptions about how they both went to grammer school….so what? Many a kid from council estates did also & that it was Jack’s grandfather who was “rich”, that he was a big property owner. By this point Jack, obviously upset, stated he had died with Edwina stating that she knew because she had seen the obituaries
Creepy.
Even more so when you know that she had taken the time before the show to search through Jack’s blog, to find a post she had done & tweet it out before hand. It also shows that before the show she knew she was likely going to bring up her grandfather, to get personal maybe because she didn’t have any defence. She says she admires Jack but her behaviour says anything but.
Also because she wasn’t willing to listen she missed a vital point
Jack is anyone
Jack didn’t come from an abusive family or a family dependent on benefits. The government rhetoric is if you work hard & get on you will be fine & in the unlikely case that you do fall, the system will protect you but it doesn’t and in Jack it proves it. See Jack’s heartfelt post about what she didn’t get to say.
Next they played a clip of “On Benefits & Proud” featuring Emma & Sophie. They explain the programme made them out to be something they’re not, that the system has helped them a lot & no that it wasn’t a comfortable existence.
Yet again, Edwina interrupts “go & get a job” repeating it over & over.
She then got a massive piece of her own medicine, the girl turned around quick as a flash “gimmie a job, innit” repeating it over & over. It reminded me of some Catherine Tate sketch that I couldn’t help but be pleased to see on this occasion.
Question 4: "Would you support or oppose new immigrants being allowed to claim benefits in the first year in the UK?" 76% oppose
Weirdly there was applause from the audience. Often there has been, in the same way as with benefit claimants a lot of stereotyping & myths surrounding immigration issues which people believe including those on benefits. Often pitted against each other, some benefit claimants believe that the reason that they can’t find a job is due to immigration.
Owen Jones brought up points about bankers, tax avoidance & the stereotyping of immigrants & the good that they have done for this country is often over looked.
I think the issue of immigration needed to be on a separate show (which Channel 5 are apparently going to do) as it felt squeezed on to the end, they didn’t have enough panellists to have a proper debate or the time & like with welfare it is yet another issue that has been a used as scapegoat topic.
The fact that they presented facts at the start of the programme was uplifting, I think it is truly disturbing how many programmes are aired with no reference to the actual facts of matter but instead just help perpetuate myths further.
There wasn’t enough time to address everything in the detail that it needed to be. A 45 minute show can’t undo the countless months of government opinion, tabloid “news” & benefit bashing tv, much more is needed to get to that point. People didn’t understand or want people like Katie Hopkins & Edwina Curie up there but the fact of the matter is it’s exactly people like Katie & Edwina that are helping perpetuate myths further because they either do not care about the people affected or that they don’t understand that things that they are annoyed about are myths or don’t represent the majority. When you put people like Katie & Edwina on a show like this against people that know their facts, they show themselves up to be the narrow minded people that they are….as long as people can speak that is.
Fleetstreetfox’s article on her experience
Owen Jone’s article on his experience
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